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- From: chall@clover.cleaf.com (Chris Hall)
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- Subject: Re: A4000 HD Drive, FORGET IT!
- Date: 12 Jan 1996 11:52:31 GMT
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- Ross Deeley (rossdee@inhb.co.nz) wrote:
-
- : > Zip 100megs for $15 vs. CDROM 650megs for $1. Which is more economical?
-
- : A ZIP can be written to, so the user can configure the software - CDROMs
- : can't.
-
- Which is why the CDROM machine should have a hard drive. With a writable
- device such as a hard drive, you can either install all or part of the
- software that's on the CD or the software company can setup the CD so
- that it can reference config files via assigns. For instance, let's say
- you have a bootable WB CD and you want the user to be able to customize
- the user-startup. You would do it something like this:
-
- NoReq ; Kill Requestors
- If exists CONFIG: ; CONFIG: is assign, floppy, Zip, or whatever.
- Execute CONFIG:S/User-startup
- EndIf
-
- Simple.
-
-
- : I thought AT were using Quad Speed CD's ?
-
- I was just saying 2X for comparison. A 2X CD drive is better than now CD
- drive.
-
-
- : Well out of 454 files totalling 52 megs I have downloaded from Aminet in
- : the last 4 months or so, only one file is too large to fit on a DD floppy.
- : (Not that I do a lot of transfering via floppy myself, but I do copy a
- : lot of stuff for club members...
-
- You didn't use a floppy to as the transfer medium to get the files from
- the AmiNet, you used a modem or network. Why can't you just setup a BBS
- so that the club members can do the same to their system. Modems are
- cheap.
-
- You can also transfer larger files via floppy with backup software but
- you would run into the same problem you would have if you tried
- transfering all 52MB of small files via floppy. Disk swap from hell.
-
-
- : > The backup device needs to be optional for the user.
-
- : All the existing software is on floppy, and it will be some time after
- : the release of the machine before a significant amount (apart from CD32
- : titles and PD CD's)
-
- That's why there should still be a floppy interface of some kind and AT
- should sell packs that include external floppy drives for people that
- want them and others can buy a basic pack.
-
- The Amiga is a smaller market and can change much quicker than the
- larger clone market. If AT announced today that they would loose the
- floppy as standard, by the time it came to be, all the software would be
- shipping on CDs also.
-
-
- : If backup and transfer devices should be optional, why hasn't it happened
- : with PC's - after all nearly all the software for them is now on CD, and
- : the size of the software makes floppy disk distribution ridiculous, and
- : PC's are in a very competitive cut throat market...
-
- If the PC market had to pay as much for DSHD floppies as the Amiga market
- does, you would see them loose it in a hurry. Right now, it's just legacy
- hardware that everyone is afraid to loose. I would imagine that you will
- see them loose it soon. AT could lead the pack by doing it first.
-
-
- : Its gpoing to be a while before the majority of amiga owners have CD
- : drives though.
-
- It's also going to be a while before all those Amiga users give up their
- A500 w/1.3. Let's just say that they could consider it an incentive to
- upgrade. Of course, they could rely on the lower feature floppy versions of
- the same software.
-
-
- : What about backyard developers - the amiga is a small market with a lot
- : of enthusiasts who can't afford the thousands of $ for a CD writer...
-
- You don't need a CDR drive to mass produce CDs. You can write iso9660
- files to tape and ship the tape off to be put on CD.
-
- You can get a Pinnacle RCD-1000 for about $1000. If the CD dupication
- costs are to much for a backyard developer, they need to go back to work
- flipping burgers for a bit longer or taking out a small loan to get
- their business started. If I can afford one on as little as I make, they
- can.
-
- Someone that doesn't have the money to distribute software via CD, isn't
- going to have the money to distribute software via floppy. Either way,
- they will have much of the same costs. They should consider using the
- shareware method of distribution. In other words, BBS, then internet, etc.
-
-
- : I wonder if Dr PeterK is watching this discussion?
-
- Hopefully, someone at AT is.
-
-
- : > them to long. They need to go ahead and make a clean break from floppies.
-
- : They may do that with the PowerAmiga - after all since all the NDOS
- : hardware banging games will break on that, theres no need to keep the
- : floppy drive to load the older software. ZIP's will be cheaper then too.
-
- We shouldn't let NDOS disks hold us back. It's sort of like being held
- hostage.
-
-
- : I think they might go for an external CDROM - after all the only ones
- : small enough to fit in a low profile case like the 1200 are the ones
- : designed for laptops, and their generally twice the price of the standard
- : ones, Using the same size case they could ditch the internal floppy so as
- : to make room for standard 3.5" hard drives (quite a bit cheaper than the
- : 2.5" ones, and include a SCSI controller where the CDROM plugs in, (along
- : with ZIP or any other external drive.)
-
- Depending on the expandability of the black box Amiga, I would probably
- buy that one instead of a 1200. It would be the closest to a Pizza box
- design. If the black box Amiga is more expandable, I think it should
- replace the 1200 as the low end machine.
-
-
- : > ahead and turn it into a CDROM/HD machine and make the floppy an optional
- : > add on. If I had a choice of a machine that had a floppy plus hard drive
- : > or a CDROM plus hard drive, I would jump on the CDROM/HD one in a second.
-
- : Whats wrong with CDRom + ZIP, with both hard drive and floppy as the option.
-
- Price, if your shooting for a low end machine. Zips run about $200, and
- 170MB 2.5" hard drives run about $60. That difference translates into bigger
- difference on the sticker price of the machine.
-
-
- Chris Hall
-
-